From popmail Thu Apr 23 04:07:56 1998 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tracy R Reed To: linux-biz@lege.com cc: kplug-list@ultraviolet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] MS Buying off educators X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: I wonder how far they can go with this stuff. http://www.ymmv.com/yesterdaily.html http://academicoop.isu.edu/Colleges/FacultySpeakersProgram.html -- Tracy Reed http://www.ultraviolet.org * Maelcum likes his flame broiled dragon on sourdough ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Thu Apr 23 04:07:59 1998 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:38:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com cc: kplug-list@ultraviolet.org Subject: Re: [linux-biz] MS Buying off educators MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Tracy R Reed wrote: http://www.zdnet.com/sr/breaking/980420/980420j.html MS speaks of 4 principles -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Thu Apr 23 04:08:03 1998 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com cc: kplug-list@ultraviolet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Very interesting piece on black propaganda X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Very interesting piece on black propaganda and Microsoft. An interesting spin on this is that black propoganda wouldn't work if the media weren't open to publishing pieces written by local people. Well, open-source software has a *LOT* of local people involved with it so why aren't more people writing to their local media about the successes they have had with open-source? -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Thu Apr 23 04:08:06 1998 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com cc: kplug-list@ultraviolet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Very interesting piece on black propaganda X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Michael Dillon wrote: > Very interesting piece on black propaganda and Microsoft. An interesting > spin on this is that black propoganda wouldn't work if the media weren't > open to publishing pieces written by local people. Well, open-source > software has a *LOT* of local people involved with it so why aren't more > people writing to their local media about the successes they have had with > open-source? Oops... http://www.netinsider.com/fwdthinking/041698fwdthinking.html -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Thu Apr 23 10:09:17 1998 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Web Review special issue on open source X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Web Review special issue on open source http://webreview.com/wr/pub/98/04/10/ -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Thu Apr 23 21:08:30 1998 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:30:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Johnson To: Linux-Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] The New Hercules Erectus of Linux X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Has anyone checked this out? http://std.world.com/~bochs Kevin Lawton (Hercules) has apparently single-handedly created the capacity to run Windows 95 within Linux. I have had only time to download the product--looks real. Dwight ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri Apr 24 10:01:54 1998 From: bradley.j.willson@boeing.com Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:42:04 +0200 (MET DST) To: Linux Business Discussion Group Comment: Sent on behalf of "Willson, Bradley J" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] This looks very cool! X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Submitted for your reading pleasure... http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=yahoo.76.10.4688172&topicid =0m2&msgid=6hobg1$8tm$3@m2.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri Apr 24 14:03:15 1998 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:11:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: Bernard Lang To: bradley.j.willson@boeing.com, linux-biz@lege.com Subject: [linux-biz] Re: This looks very cool! X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: > Submitted for your reading pleasure... > > http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=yahoo.76.10.4688172&topicid =0m2&msgid=6hobg1$8tm$3@m2.yahoo.com produces: Sorry, we can't process your request. You may want to check the URL and try again. can you help... what is it ? Bernard.Lang@inria.fr ,_ /\o \o/ Tel +33 (1) 3963 5644 http://pauillac.inria.fr/~lang/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fax +33 (1) 3963 5469 INRIA / B.P. 105 / 78153 Le Chesnay CEDEX / France Je n'exprime que mon opinion - I express only my opinion CAGED BEHIND WINDOWS or FREE WITH LINUX ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri Apr 24 15:05:33 1998 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:11:09 +0200 From: Fredric Fredricson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Lang CC: bradley.j.willson@boeing.com, linux-biz@lege.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] Re: This looks very cool! X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Bernard Lang wrote: > > > Submitted for your reading pleasure... > > > > http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=yahoo.76.10.4688172&topicid > =0m2&msgid=6hobg1$8tm$3@m2.yahoo.com > > produces: > > Sorry, we can't process your request. You may want to check the URL and try again. > > can you help... what is it ? The URL is cut in two parts. Click does not work, try cut and paste twice. (What I mean is: "=0m2&msgid=6hobg1$8tm$3@m2.yahoo.com" is also part of the URL). /Fredric Fredricson ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri Apr 24 19:02:54 1998 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:57:53 +0000 From: "Bradley J. Willson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fredric Fredricson CC: Bernard Lang , linux-biz@lege.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] Re: This looks very cool! X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Fredric Fredricson wrote: > > Bernard Lang wrote: > > > > > Submitted for your reading pleasure... > > > > > > http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=yahoo.76.10.4688172&topicid > > =0m2&msgid=6hobg1$8tm$3@m2.yahoo.com > > > > produces: > > > > Sorry, we can't process your request. You may want to check the URL and try again. > > > > can you help... what is it ? > > The URL is cut in two parts. Click does not work, try cut and paste > twice. > (What I mean is: "=0m2&msgid=6hobg1$8tm$3@m2.yahoo.com" is also part of > the URL). > > /Fredric Fredricson Thank you Fredric. I have been away from the e-mail for several hours. -- Regards, Bradley J. Willson http://www.ifixcomputers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri Apr 24 21:05:25 1998 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Research articles X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Executive Viewpoint Microsoft: The Joker of Enterprise IS Computing http://www.aberdeen.com/research/comp/viewpnts/1997/v10n20/97090178.htm Microsoft Customers Risk Missing the Java Boat http://www.aberdeen.com/research/comp/impacts/1998/java/97120501.htm Case Study: Migration Migraines http://www.aberdeen.com/research/comp/onsite/case1/body.htm Case Study: Horns of a Dilemma http://www.aberdeen.com/research/comp/onsite/case2/body.htm -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri Apr 24 21:07:08 1998 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] more Linux success stories X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: This is an article forwarded from a web forum ----------forwarded message------------- article about Linux batch clusters that are now doing the OCR for mail sorting at the US Postal service. Here is the header and pointer to the story from the fellow that did it. "Linux is reading your mail, John Taves, April 8, 1998 The United States Postal Service deployed over 900 Linux based systems throughout the United States in 1997 to automatically recognize the destination addresses on mail pieces. Each system consists of 5 dual Pentium Pro 200MHz (PP200) computers and one single PP200 all running Linux." http://members.aa.net/~jtaves/linux.htm On an interesting Note, i wonder how many system OEM/VAR teams this fellow beat out in the bid for the job, ill bet 10 dollars to a doughnut that this Linux hacker beat out others offering systems costing 10s of millions more. Other links about Linux supercomputing Linux Brings Titanic to Life Digital Domain uses Linux supercomputing cluster to create high-tech visual effects. http://www.linuxjournal.com/issue46/2494.html http://www.msnbc.com/news/139296.asp I'm Not Going to Pay a Lot for This Super Computer ! http://www.linuxjournal.com/issue45/2392.html "Beowulf" linux supercomputing at NASA http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/beowulf/beowulf.html the SWARM Linux supercomputer http://www.CS.ORST.EDU/swarm/ the Loki Linux supercomputer http://loki-www.lanl.gov/ The Grendel Linux supercomputing cluster http://ece.clemson.edu/parl/grendel.htm Linux supercomputing cluster at Caltech http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/research/beowulf/ ---------end forwarded message------------ -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat Apr 25 07:00:55 1998 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:49:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Johnson To: Linux-Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Andreesen Open Source Vision (was Re: The new Unix alters NT's orbit) X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Tim Hanson wrote: > Speaking of other articles, Netscape's Andreeson turned up on ZDnet/Yahoo today with a Linux testimonial: > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/technology/zdnet/story.html?s=n/zdnn/technology/19980424/19980424012 Andreessen appears to have the Open Source deployment vision clearly in focus and in fact has become an important spokesman if this story quotes him correctly. Dwight ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat Apr 25 21:01:38 1998 Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott D. Webster" To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Faximum Software Linux Port Beta X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: All, Faximum Software (http://www.faximum.com) has released a beta version of a Linux port of their product. I won't have time to test it for a few weeks, but it looks interesting. -- Scott D. Webster swebster@carroll.com Etc Services Voice: 201.385.7113 Linux / Unix Consulting Pager: 800.379.2402 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sun Apr 26 21:38:11 1998 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:36:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gabriel 'Linux Guru' Cain" To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] More positive press. X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/98/04/cyber/articles/26commerce.html You'll need to get a membership there, but it's free, so no big deal. :) -- There is no reward like being right. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sun Apr 26 21:39:36 1998 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: More positive press. X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Gabriel 'Linux Guru' Cain wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/98/04/cyber/articles/26commerce.html > > You'll need to get a membership there, but it's free, so no big deal. :) For those of us outside the USA membership is NOT free so it is a big deal. Could you post more info about what was in the article? I don't feel like paying $35 per month just to read this. -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sun Apr 26 21:41:33 1998 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:21:31 +0000 From: "Bradley J. Willson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-biz@lege.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] What if? X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: There has been a lot of talk about Open Source, and developing software free gratis, and even a few models for making money on all of this, but I've not seen any mention of investing in companies that use Linux and other Open Source products. Here's what I have done: I own positions (small due to my budget) in Pixar (they use Tcl/Tk among other things), Alltel (they use Linux, an employee mentioned it in a news feedback forum), Netscape (need I say more :) ), RealNetworks (RealAudio was developed on Linux), and Egghead.Com (They sell Linux). Every one of these companies have made my portfolio a little fatter, and I believe that Open Source has played a role in each case. What then, would happen if an Open Source Mutual Fund was established? I think it would serve a few purposes; first, it would give more exposure to Open Source on Wall Street, second, it could give companies a means to showcase their successes with Open Source products, and third, it would give back to those developers that invest in the fund. This is merely conjecture on my part, but for my mini-portfolio, I am enjoying the results from Open Source, in a monitary way. One only has to look at the long string of good news stories that are pouring out to see my point. I am not offering stock advice here, but simply stating factual events that I have experienced. Make your own decisions regarding the stock market. -- Regards, Bradley J. Willson http://www.ifixcomputers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sun Apr 26 23:01:13 1998 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:27:55 +0000 From: Michael Morrison X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Dillon CC: linux-biz@lege.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] Re: More positive press. X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Michael Dillon wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Gabriel 'Linux Guru' Cain wrote: > > > http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/98/04/cyber/articles/26commerce.html > > > > You'll need to get a membership there, but it's free, so no big deal. :) > > For those of us outside the USA membership is NOT free so it is a big > deal. Could you post more info about what was in the article? I don't feel > like paying $35 per month just to read this. Try logging in as cypherpunks, password cypherpunks. This name/password pair has worked for me for every site that requires you to register. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sun Apr 26 23:06:15 1998 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:40:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Gabriel 'Linux Guru' Cain" To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] re: more positive press. X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Here's the full article. Princeton Class Pokes Holes In 'Secure' Market Transactions By PETER WAYNER here are only two weeks to go in Prof. Ed Felten's computer science class in electronic marketplaces at Princeton and the students still have plenty of work to do before they can finish the final project, a demonstration system filled with software agents that bargain for stocks and bonds. Right now, though, the agents still need to be tested, the messages between the agents still aren't flowing smoothly, the encryption technology used to provide security is still not installed right, and, of course, springtime is making it hard for everyone -- the seniors especially -- to concentrate. The class in the computer science department is aimed at solving a wide-open problem: create an electronic place where intelligent agents can trade stocks and bonds in a secure way. The software agents, which are really just independent programs, might be used by an investor or mutual fund to manage securities. Some researchers, at places like the Santa Fe Institute or Xerox's Palo Alto Research Center, have already created demonstration marketplaces, but Felten challenged his class to make a marketplace that was secure against info-terrorist attacks. The task got harder because one group in the class was acting as a "Tiger Team," with the job of attacking the system and looking for potential weaknesses. They identified several major weaknesses in the original plans, which forced the other students to redesign the message-passing system and to upgrade the level of security in the marketplace. The department devoted four computers to the class. One ran a stripped-down version of the popular free operating system, Linux, and acted as the center of the marketplace. It would collect the agents, run them, and match buy and sell orders for the securities. The students considered and rejected using many of the other operating systems available because they couldn't get the source code, needed to remove potential security holes. Two other machines were devoted to development by the students and the fourth was owned by the Tiger Team, which could use it to relentlessly probe for weaknesses. The Tiger Team had a few rules. First, they couldn't use their physical access to the machine to crash it. Second, they needed to simulate the resources of a distant hacker. It is often too easy for a machine on the same corner of the Internet to use the fast, local connection to drown another machine with worthless information, but it is substantially harder for someone without expensive resources to do it across the Internet. Finally, they couldn't break the law and exploit other machines on the Net. The Tiger Team soon found a problem with one of the standard packages for encrypting data known as SSL, or Secure Sockets Layer. Enemies could easily jam the sockets, locking up the market, perhaps in a way that would guarantee a large profit. Professor Felten said that this threw off the schedule. "We didn't expect to have to throw away SSL," he said. "That was by far the biggest gotcha." SSL, which is built upon the popular TCP/IP protocol, the data transfer standards used for most Internet communications, was also susceptible to many of the same problems as TCP/IP. In the end, the students realized that they would have to rewrite their own software using a lower-level protocol known as UDP for exchanging data. They would simulate much of the socket support that TCP/IP provides programmers for keeping data straight, but they would need to build in the robustness to prevent simple attacks. This insight, however, is just the sort of lesson the course was designed to extract. Most of the software on the Internet relies upon TCP/IP to exchange information and thus is exposed to the same sorts of attacks that the students realized could cripple the marketplace. The Pentagon and other branches of the United States government are also encountering the same problem as they begin to explore how to strengthen the digital infrastructure against these types of attacks. Felten hopes that his students will take these lessons with them and strengthen that infrastructure. The class also worried about other types of "denial of services" attacks and built a special language for the software agents to keep them in line and to defend against rogue agents sent to destroy the marketplace. Most of the system is written in one of the trendy languages of the day, Java, but the students chose a subset of a more academic language known as ML. It offered more precise control, in part because it was less optimized for performance. "In general, very few languages have features that restrict the memory footprint of a thread," Daniel Wang, a student in the class, said, referring to the ability to control how much memory an agent consumes. A thread is a term used to describe one particular task or job. Modern operating systems that juggle multiple tasks at once are often called multi-threaded. Professor Felten explained, "Every action of an agent takes a certain number of ticks and we limit the number of ticks that each agent gets." Java, he said, does not have the fine level of control necessary to restrict an agent that might be bent on consuming all of the memory or processing time of the marketplace. This might occur because a software agent comes with a bug or because someone programmed it to be deliberately malicious. Felten also elaborates and says that Java makes it easy for different agents to lock up resources and shut down the system. This insight shows that Java is far from ready to be the language to implement many of the dreams that people have for the Internet. Artificial Intelligence researchers and Internet impresarios often chatter about the day when software agents will roam the network securing great deals and satisfying our craving for the latest information. The language, as it is currently structured, didn't offer the students the features necessary to build a secure marketplace. In fact, the students pointed out that there was some merit in an old system, Telescript, built by the company General Magic that once spent some time in the limelight as the future king of the Internet's infrastructure. That language, which lacks some of Java's security features, did offer a more sophisticated resource management system for allocating computer time and memory to mobile agents. In the end, the class is also a lesson in the thankless work of managing a project and synchronizing the work of a group. Many colleges rely heavily upon individual assignments because they are the only fair way to assign grades and force students to learn on their own. But most jobs require a good degree of interaction and team building. Felten said he feels that this type of project is an essential lesson for students, although one that can be hard on everyone who may be used to working independently. "You've got to plan for some form of senioritis," he said. "But you also hope that they've got superior experience to lend." -- There is no reward like being right. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sun Apr 26 23:06:19 1998 Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:52:16 -0700 From: Rick Carlson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-biz@lege.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: [linux-biz] Re: More positive press. X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Status: Michael Dillon wrote: > For those of us outside the USA membership is NOT free so it is a big > deal. Could you post more info about what was in the article? I don't feel > like paying $35 per month just to read this. > > -- > Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting > http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com The New York Times Business April 26, 1998 Princeton Class Pokes Holes In 'Secure' Market Transactions By PETER WAYNER [T] here are only two weeks to go in Prof. Ed Felten's computer science class in electronic marketplaces at Princeton and the students still have plenty of work to do before they can finish the final project, a demonstration system filled with software agents that bargain for stocks and bonds. bargain for stocks and bonds. -------------------------- Right now, though, the A new class's goal: agents still need to be creating an electronic tested, the messages between place where intelligent the agents still aren't agents can trade stocks flowing smoothly, the and bonds in a secure encryption technology used way. to provide security is still -------------------------- not installed right, and, of course, springtime is making it hard for everyone -- the seniors especially -- to concentrate. The class in the computer science department is aimed at solving a wide-open problem: create an electronic place where intelligent agents can trade stocks and bonds in a secure way. The software agents, which are really just independent programs, might be used by an investor or mutual fund to manage securities. Some researchers, at places like the Santa Fe Institute or Xerox's Palo Alto Research Center, have already created demonstration marketplaces, but Felten challenged his class to make a marketplace that was secure against info-terrorist attacks. The task got harder because one group in the class was acting as a "Tiger Team," with the job of attacking the system and looking for potential weaknesses. They identified several major weaknesses in the original plans, which forced the other students to redesign the message-passing system and to upgrade the level of security in the marketplace. The department devoted four computers to the class. One ran a stripped-down version of the popular free operating system, Linux, and acted as the center of the marketplace. It would collect the agents, run them, and match buy and sell orders for the securities. The students considered and rejected using many of the other operating systems available because they couldn't get the source code, needed to remove potential security holes. Two other machines were devoted to development by the students and the fourth was owned by the Tiger Team, which could use it to relentlessly probe for weaknesses. The Tiger Team had a few rules. First, they couldn't use their physical access to the machine to crash it. Second, they needed to simulate the resources of a distant hacker. It is often too easy for a machine on the same corner of the Internet to use the fast, local connection to drown another machine with worthless information, but it is substantially harder for someone without expensive resources to do it across the Internet. Finally, they couldn't break the law and exploit other machines on the Net. The Tiger Team soon found a problem with one of the standard packages for encrypting data known as SSL, or Secure Sockets Layer. Enemies could easily jam the sockets, locking up the market, perhaps in a way that would guarantee a large profit. Professor Felten said that this threw off the schedule. "We didn't expect to have to throw away SSL," he said. "That was by far the biggest gotcha." SSL, which is built upon the popular TCP/IP protocol, the data transfer standards used for most Internet communications, was also susceptible to many of the same problems as TCP/IP. In the end, the students realized that they would have to rewrite their own software using a lower-level protocol known as UDP for exchanging data. They would simulate much of the socket support that TCP/IP provides programmers for keeping data straight, but they would need to build in the robustness to prevent simple attacks. This insight, however, is just the sort of lesson the course was designed to extract. Most of the software on the Internet relies upon TCP/IP to exchange information and thus is exposed to the same sorts of attacks that the students realized could cripple the marketplace. The Pentagon and other branches of the United States government are also encountering the same problem as they begin to explore how to strengthen the digital infrastructure against these types of attacks. Felten hopes that his students will take these lessons with them and strengthen that infrastructure. The class also worried about other types of "denial of services" attacks and built a special language for the software agents to keep them in line and to defend against rogue agents sent to destroy the marketplace. Most of the system is written in one of the trendy languages of the day, Java, but the students chose a subset of a more academic language known as ML. It offered more precise control, in part because it was less optimized for performance. "In general, very few languages have features that restrict the memory footprint of a thread," Daniel Wang, a student in the class, said, referring to the ability to control how much memory an agent consumes. A thread is a term used to describe one particular task or job. Modern operating systems that juggle multiple tasks at once are often called multi-threaded. Professor Felten explained, "Every [Image] action of an agent takes a certain Prof. Ed number of ticks and we limit the Felten, number of ticks that each agent gets." from his Web Java, he said, does not have the fine site level of control necessary to restrict ---------------- an agent that might be bent on consuming all of the memory or processing time of the marketplace. This might occur because a software agent comes with a bug or because someone programmed it to be deliberately malicious. Felten also elaborates and says that Java makes it easy for different agents to lock up resources and shut down the system. This insight shows that Java is far from ready to be the language to implement many of the dreams that people have for the Internet. Artificial Intelligence researchers and Internet impresarios often chatter about the day when software agents will roam the network securing great deals and satisfying our craving for the latest information. The language, as it is currently structured, didn't offer the students the features necessary to build a secure marketplace. In fact, the students pointed out that there was some merit in an old system, Telescript, built by the company General Magic that once spent some time in the limelight as the future king of the Internet's infrastructure. That language, which lacks some of Java's security features, did offer a more sophisticated resource management system for allocating computer time and memory to mobile agents. In the end, the class is also a lesson in the thankless work of managing a project and synchronizing the work of a group. Many colleges rely heavily upon individual assignments because they are the only fair way to assign grades and force students to learn on their own. But most jobs require a good degree of interaction and team building. Felten said he feels that this type of project is an essential lesson for students, although one that can be hard on everyone who may be used to working independently. "You've got to plan for some form of senioritis," he said. "But you also hope that they've got superior experience to lend." ------------------------------------------------------- Related Sites Following are links to the external Web sites mentioned in this article. These sites are not part of The New York Times on the Web, and The Times has no control over their content or availability. When you have finished visiting any of these sites, you will be able to return to this page by clicking on your Web browser's "Back" button or icon until this page reappears. * Syllabus for Computer Science 592 course * Princeton * Ed Felten’s faculty Web page * Daniel Wang’s Web page ------------------------------------------------------- Peter Wayner at pwayner@nytimes.com welcomes your comments and suggestions. ------------------------------------------------------- Home | Sections | Contents | Search | Forums | Help Copyright 1998 The New York Times Company ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Mon Apr 27 09:55:58 1998 To: linux-biz@lege.com Subject: Re: [linux-biz] Why open source works. ... Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Paul Foley Date: 03 Apr 1998 19:15:09 +1200 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:35:48 -0500, Brian Bartholomew wrote: >> I'd rather have 300 different office packages to choose from, >> commercial and Free, all using the free Standard Data Format. A >> standard word processor format is much more valuable than a standard >> word processor, IMO. > Agreed, but an unlikely situation. Document processing is subject to > much innovation, which reflects into file formats. Of course, but you can design extensible document formats -- HTML is an example; you can ignore anything you don't understand without making the document unreadable...and you can write those unknown things back out when you save, so you don't break other people's documents. > You can argue for standardization or for a marketplace of products, > but I maintain you can't argue it one way for emacs and the other > for LinuxWord. LinuxWord.el? :-) -- Paul Foley --- PGP-encrypted mail preferred PGP key ID 0x1CA3386D available from keyservers fingerprint = 4A 76 83 D8 99 BC ED 33 C5 02 81 C9 BF 7A 91 E8 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Mon Apr 27 09:56:00 1998 To: linux-biz@lege.com Subject: Re: [linux-biz] commercial wp/office suites Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Paul Foley Date: 03 Apr 1998 19:18:32 +1200 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:39:01 -0500 (EST), Michael Stutz wrote: > I'm interested in gauging the reaction of linux-biz listmembers, and wonder > if there's a general consensus on the value for linux-based systems in > business with regard to these two scenarios: I can't see it happening. And I hope it never does -- it would destroy any chance of ever having a _good_ office suite on Linux. -- Paul Foley --- PGP-encrypted mail preferred PGP key ID 0x1CA3386D available from keyservers fingerprint = 4A 76 83 D8 99 BC ED 33 C5 02 81 C9 BF 7A 91 E8 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Wed Apr 29 07:09:02 1998 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Caldera embroiled with MS and Dell X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Caldera embroiled with MS and Dell http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/inwo/0427/310649.html -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Thu Apr 30 19:03:04 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:14:47 +0000 From: "Bradley J. Willson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-biz@lege.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------98CE256F4C99EB8ACE8BE0C4" Subject: [linux-biz] [Fwd: What if?] X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------98CE256F4C99EB8ACE8BE0C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Add Alltel (AT) to list of companies that use Linux! -- Regards, Bradley J. Willson http://www.ifixcomputers.com --------------98CE256F4C99EB8ACE8BE0C4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from animal.blarg.net for cpu with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.14 1997/04/11) Sun Apr 26 14:55:11 1998 X-From_: tsm@wwnet.net Sun Apr 26 13:26:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from ziggy.wwnet.com (root@ziggy.wwnet.net [209.142.193.4]) by animal.blarg.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA16058 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:26:14 -0700 Received: from wwnet.net (max3-254.detroit.usabestnet.net [209.142.206.254]) by ziggy.wwnet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA05399 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:26:10 -0400 Message-ID: <35439857.1B8BB430@wwnet.net> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:25:59 -0400 From: Ted Maciag Reply-To: tsm@wwnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bradley J. Willson" Subject: Re: [linux-biz] What if? References: <3543893B.82EBC828@ifixcomputers.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F915FE69E60AD1E91F6B1826" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F915FE69E60AD1E91F6B1826 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, What a great idea! A list-server could be set up to handle whose on the list and new bit and bytes, etc. Some serious thought should be given to this. Great work! Bradley J. Willson wrote: > There has been a lot of talk about Open Source, and developing software > free gratis, and even a few models for making money on all of this, but > I've not seen any mention of investing in companies that use Linux and > other Open Source products. > > Here's what I have done: I own positions (small due to my budget) in > Pixar (they use Tcl/Tk among other things), Alltel (they use Linux, an > employee mentioned it in a news feedback forum), Netscape (need I say > more :) ), RealNetworks (RealAudio was developed on Linux), and > Egghead.Com (They sell Linux). Every one of these companies have made my > portfolio a little fatter, and I believe that Open Source has played a > role in each case. > > What then, would happen if an Open Source Mutual Fund was established? I > think it would serve a few purposes; first, it would give more exposure > to Open Source on Wall Street, second, it could give companies a means > to showcase their successes with Open Source products, and third, it > would give back to those developers that invest in the fund. > > This is merely conjecture on my part, but for my mini-portfolio, I am > enjoying the results from Open Source, in a monitary way. > > One only has to look at the long string of good news stories that are > pouring out to see my point. > > I am not offering stock advice here, but simply stating factual events > that I have experienced. Make your own decisions regarding the stock > market. > > -- > Regards, > Bradley J. Willson > http://www.ifixcomputers.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe -- ---------------------------------------------------- Ted Maciag, CNA * Page me http://wwp.mirabilis.com/10417837 * E-mail Express 104178370@pager.mirabilis.com --------------F915FE69E60AD1E91F6B1826 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Ted Maciag Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Ted Maciag n: Maciag;Ted org: Exemplar System Solutions email;internet: tsm@wwnet.net title: CTO tel;work: 248-437-7255 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------F915FE69E60AD1E91F6B1826-- --------------98CE256F4C99EB8ACE8BE0C4-- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Thu Apr 30 21:02:38 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:25:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Johnson To: Linux-Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Interbase for Linux released X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Just reported on linux-list. http://www.interbase.com Dwight ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Thu Apr 30 22:01:49 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:19:35 +0000 From: "Bradley J. Willson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-biz@lege.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9E33B45EB09FD9C598422F35" Subject: [linux-biz] [Fwd: A question for you...] Linux in business! X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9E33B45EB09FD9C598422F35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's another one... -- Regards, Bradley J. Willson http://www.ifixcomputers.com --------------9E33B45EB09FD9C598422F35 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from animal.blarg.net for cpu with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.14 1997/04/11) Wed Apr 29 00:58:49 1998 X-From_: holly@pixar.com Tue Apr 28 13:52:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from pixar.com (pixar.pixar.com [138.72.10.20]) by animal.blarg.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA12440 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:52:56 -0700 Received: from cliff.pixar.com (cliff.pixar.com [138.72.10.32]) by pixar.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA18914 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [138.72.35.129] by cliff.pixar.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA07534; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:52:48 -0700 X-Sender: holly@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3546292A.621B60FF@ifixcomputers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:52:46 -0800 To: "Bradley J. Willson" From: Holly Lloyd Subject: Re: A question for you... Yup, we use Linux here and there. Can't beat this "fun" stock! Good luck! Webmistress >Does Pixar use Linux? I read that Tcl/Tk is in use there. The reason I >ask is because I own Pixar stock and am investing in companies that use >Linux and other Open Source products. I chose PIXR when I started my >portfolio, mainly as a "fun" stock, but the more I learn about the >company and it's practices, the more I like it. I'm in for the long >term. Great work Pixar! >-- >Regards, >Bradley J. Willson >http://www.ifixcomputers.com --------------9E33B45EB09FD9C598422F35-- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Thu Apr 30 23:01:41 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:43:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Curious comment about Linux advocates X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Curious comment about Linux advocates http://www.scripting.com/98/04/stories/linuxAdvocacyHowto.html -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 06:13:05 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Surprising to find this on MSNBC X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Surprising to find this on MSNBC When less technology is better, ASCII terminals rule and Win95 is too complex and unreliable for corporate use... http://www.msnbc.com/news/162158.asp#BODY?st.ne.fd.mnaw -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 10:00:41 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Surprising to find this on MSNBC X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Surprising to find this on MSNBC When less technology is better, ASCII terminals rule and Win95 is too complex and unreliable for corporate use... http://www.msnbc.com/news/162158.asp#BODY?st.ne.fd.mnaw -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 10:13:36 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Surprising to find this on MSNBC X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Surprising to find this on MSNBC When less technology is better, ASCII terminals rule and Win95 is too complex and unreliable for corporate use... http://www.msnbc.com/news/162158.asp#BODY?st.ne.fd.mnaw -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 10:13:57 1998 From: linas@linas.org To: cpu@ifixcomputers.com (Bradley J. Willson) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:07:30 -2900 (CDT) Cc: linux-biz@lege.com Content-Type: text Subject: [linux-biz] Re: [Fwd: A question for you...] Linux in business! X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: It's been rumoured that Bradley J. Willson said: > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:52:46 -0800 > To: "Bradley J. Willson" > From: Holly Lloyd > Subject: Re: A question for you... > > Yup, we use Linux here and there. Can't beat this "fun" stock! Good luck! > > Webmistress A Pixar employee has contributed libefence.a which is great for debugging faults. Pixar in general over the decades has been quite vital in the 3D graphics community, providing many technical advances. --linas ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 16:01:31 1998 From: Bobnhlinux Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:35:20 EDT To: gnhlug@alpha.zk3.dec.com, linux-biz@lege.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Subject: [linux-biz] Open Source on Public Radio X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Hi all, I just heard an announcement on public radio for All Things Considered. This afternoon (fri May 1) @ 4 pm. (WEVO, NH, your time may vary), they will have a news item about netscape, and open source. Bob Sparks Linux enthuisiast (OK fanatic) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 17:00:56 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Evan Leibovitch To: Bobnhlinux cc: gnhlug@alpha.zk3.dec.com, linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Open Source on Public Radio X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Fri, 1 May 1998, Bobnhlinux wrote: > I just heard an announcement on public radio for All Things Considered. > This afternoon (fri May 1) @ 4 pm. (WEVO, NH, your time may vary), > they will have a news item about netscape, and open source. That's not all. By this time next week, yet another major software company will have dropped an opensource bombshell; I'll be travelling to Ottawa Thursday for the announcement (and that's all the clue you're getting :-). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Evan Leibovitch * Xunil Computing * Brampton, Ontario, Canada * www.xunil.com Supporting Intel-based Unix and Linux since 1985 * Caldera & SCO authorized Ask me about the Toronto Linux Users Group ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 17:50:11 1998 From: "Carr, Eric" To: "linux-biz@lege.com" Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:02:00 -0400 X-Mailer: MailBeamer v3.12a (WinNT 4.x Service) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] RE: Open Source on Publi X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Now THAT I'd like to see! Linux, Netscape, and, er, unnamed Ottawa-based software company. Could be reaching a critical mass here. -----Original Message----- From: Evan Leibovitch [mailto:evan@telly.org] Sent: Friday, May 01, 1998 10:28 AM To: Bobnhlinux; Carr, Eric Cc: gnhlug@alpha.zk3.dec.com; linux-biz@lege.com Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Open Source on Public Radio On Fri, 1 May 1998, Bobnhlinux wrote: > I just heard an announcement on public radio for All Things Considered. > This afternoon (fri May 1) @ 4 pm. (WEVO, NH, your time may vary), > they will have a news item about netscape, and open source. That's not all. By this time next week, yet another major software company will have dropped an opensource bombshell; I'll be travelling to Ottawa Thursday for the announcement (and that's all the clue you're getting :-). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Evan Leibovitch * Xunil Computing * Brampton, Ontario, Canada * www.xunil.com Supporting Intel-based Unix and Linux since 1985 * Caldera & SCO authorized Ask me about the Toronto Linux Users Group ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 19:01:55 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:23:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Next year a Japanese company will begin shipping a refrigerator that runs Linux with touchscreen LCD monitor in the door and always-on Internet connection. http://www.NikkeiBP.AsiaBizTech.com/Database/98_Apr/30/Mor.04.gwif.html -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 21:03:33 1998 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 17:11:49 +0000 From: "Bradley J. Willson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linas@linas.org CC: linux-biz@lege.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] Re: [Fwd: A question for you...] Linux in business! X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: linas@linas.org wrote: > > It's been rumoured that Bradley J. Willson said: > > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:52:46 -0800 > > To: "Bradley J. Willson" > > From: Holly Lloyd > > Subject: Re: A question for you... > > > > Yup, we use Linux here and there. Can't beat this "fun" stock! Good luck! > > > > Webmistress > > A Pixar employee has contributed libefence.a which is great for > debugging faults. Pixar in general over the decades has been > quite vital in the 3D graphics community, providing many technical > advances. > > --linas And their stock performance shows excellence too: PIXR +1 1/2 @ $43. For my run that's +70.30% over what I bought in for. --- Regards, Bradley J. Willson http://www.ifixcomputers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 21:03:55 1998 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 17:30:45 +0000 From: "Bradley J. Willson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Dillon CC: linux-biz@lege.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Michael Dillon wrote: > > Next year a Japanese company will begin shipping a that runs > Linux with touchscreen LCD monitor in the door and always-on Internet > connection. > > http://www.NikkeiBP.AsiaBizTech.com/Database/98_Apr/30/Mor.04.gwif.html > > -- > Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting > http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe Is your refrigerator NT? Go shopping! General Protection Fault; your refrigerator has performed an illegal act and will be shutdown! Go shopping! Welcome to RedApple 9.0 login: rootabega Password: *********** -- Regards, Bradley J. Willson http://www.ifixcomputers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 21:04:49 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:54:13 -0400 From: Brian Bartholomew To: linux-biz@lege.com Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: > http://www.NikkeiBP.AsiaBizTech.com/Database/98_Apr/30/Mor.04.gwif.html That's bogus. I don't want to web-browse standing in front of my fridge. I want to scan in UPC codes and have it track inventory and suggest menus, plus order missing ingredients from a home-shopping service. "You have a doorfull of condiments. You can make: thousand island dressing." A member of the League for Programming Freedom (LPF) ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/lpf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Bartholomew - bb@wv.com - www.wv.com - Working Version, Cambridge, MA ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 23:02:37 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:13:43 -0400 (EDT) From: gregory j pryzby To: Brian Bartholomew cc: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Fri, 1 May 1998, Brian Bartholomew wrote: > > http://www.NikkeiBP.AsiaBizTech.com/Database/98_Apr/30/Mor.04.gwif.html > > That's bogus. I don't want to web-browse standing in front of my > fridge. I want to scan in UPC codes and have it track inventory and > suggest menus, plus order missing ingredients from a home-shopping > service. "You have a doorfull of condiments. You can make: thousand > island dressing." That is the feature for the builtin web app that I am going to write! Damn, beat me to market! -- gregory j pryzby | pryzby@tux.org Founded Linux Users Group of Manassas | http://www.tux.org/~pryzby/house.html Check out the Home Pages | http://www.tux.org/lugman.html Love animals-- don't eat them! | http://www.tux.org/~pryzby/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Fri May 1 23:04:53 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:50:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Fri, 1 May 1998, Brian Bartholomew wrote: > > http://www.NikkeiBP.AsiaBizTech.com/Database/98_Apr/30/Mor.04.gwif.html > > That's bogus. I don't want to web-browse standing in front of my > fridge. I want to scan in UPC codes and have it track inventory and > suggest menus, plus order missing ingredients from a home-shopping > service. "You have a doorfull of condiments. You can make: thousand > island dressing." And just how are you going to access the inventory database on your home's Linux server if you don't have a web browser in the kitchen? And are you going to run back and forth from the livingroom just to follow a recipe while you are cooking? Give your head a shake, man! -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 2 00:31:42 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:47:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tracy R Reed To: Evan Leibovitch cc: Bobnhlinux , gnhlug@alpha.zk3.dec.com, linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Open Source on Public Radio X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Fri, 1 May 1998, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > That's not all. By this time next week, yet another major software company > will have dropped an opensource bombshell; I'll be travelling to Ottawa > Thursday for the announcement (and that's all the clue you're getting :-). Slashdot says Corel will be there with a big announcement. I don't see how they could possibly GPL/NPL/CPL their office suite. Isn't it one of their big money makers? Even though it's not selling well, can they afford to give it up? A friend of mine suggested that perhaps they will GPL it on the Unix platforms (since they are in the minority) and let it be developed there and port it to the Windows platforms and sell the binaries there. Who knows. -- Tracy Reed http://www.ultraviolet.org The sticker on the side of the box said "Supported Platforms: Windows 95, Windows NT 4.0, or better", so clearly Linux was a supported platform. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 2 04:01:14 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Johnson To: Linux-Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Fri, 1 May 1998, Michael Dillon wrote: > > Next year a Japanese company will begin shipping a refrigerator that runs > Linux with touchscreen LCD monitor in the door and always-on Internet > connection. > > http://www.NikkeiBP.AsiaBizTech.com/Database/98_Apr/30/Mor.04.gwif.html Yes, now that the Open Source Genie is out of the bottle there is going to be an explosion of this kind of thing: ------------ Forrester Research predicts that by 2002, 10% of U.S. households will contain networked electronic devices, such as refrigerators that alert homeowners it's time to buy milk, or intelligent sprinkler systems that kick on when the weather report calls for clear skies. (Information Week 20 Apr 98) ------------ Dwight ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 2 07:01:34 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:40:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Evan Leibovitch To: Tracy R Reed cc: Bobnhlinux , gnhlug@alpha.zk3.dec.com, linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Open Source on Public Radio X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Fri, 1 May 1998, Tracy R Reed wrote: > > By this time next week, yet another major software company > > will have dropped an opensource bombshell; I'll be travelling to Ottawa > > Thursday for the announcement (and that's all the clue you're getting :-). > Slashdot says Corel will be there with a big announcement. OK, the cat's out of the bag. There's also been a posting in comp.os.linux.announce about it, so there's no secret (anymore). > I don't see how they could possibly GPL/NPL/CPL their office suite. > Isn't it one of their big money makers? Thursday's announcement will itself deal mainly with the release of Corel's Linux-powered Network Computer, and the fact that all the software Corel developed to make Linux into a plug-in-and-run NC system will be opensourced. Info on this will be found at www.corelcomputer.com. But there is a deeper underpinning to this, and it involves Corel's 'discovery' of Linux and opensource, and the start of a greater relationship similar (and likely beyond) to Netscape's. Corel's NC work to date has required Corel to become intimate with Linux (enough to be able to provide commercial support), and it has both hired lots of expertise and worked closely with the Ottawa Linux user community. What does this mean for the future? Some is still secret, some will still evolve. It almost certainly means that many of Corel's software products will be ported to -- and better supported under -- Linux. After Caldera switched from WordPerfect to StarOffice I thought that Corel might have been abandoning the Linux market; but the exact opposite may be the case. May the world be ready for a Corel Linux distribution? This is total speculation, but if Corel did its own distro (or paired up with an existing one), what would *that* do to bring Linux into the mainstream? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Evan Leibovitch * Xunil Computing * Brampton, Ontario, Canada * www.xunil.com Supporting Intel-based Unix and Linux since 1985 * Caldera & SCO authorized Ask me about the Toronto Linux Users Group ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 2 07:01:43 1998 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:03:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Evan Leibovitch To: Linux Business Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Fri, 1 May 1998, Dwight Johnson wrote: > > Next year a Japanese company will begin shipping a refrigerator that runs > > Linux with touchscreen LCD monitor in the door and always-on Internet > > connection. > > http://www.NikkeiBP.AsiaBizTech.com/Database/98_Apr/30/Mor.04.gwif.html > > Yes, now that the Open Source Genie is out of the bottle there is going > to be an explosion of this kind of thing: Sure, but will we be able to cope with it? I can see it now... RFC 1465: NEW TCP SERVICES FOR USE BY NETWORKED REFRIGERATORS 1) ButP (Butter Protocol) allows other hosts in the system to query each systems' /dev/butter, and determine/affect the spreadability of its contents. A client will be developed for Network Toasters, so they may instruct a ButP server to raise the temperature in advance of the toast's readiness. 2) ROSE (Remove Olifactory Sensory Environment) used to communicate with electronic odor monitors, and optionally manage operation of automated baking-soda dispendors. ROSE can also be configured to inform users that it's time to use up those mushrooms this week OR ELSE. 3) SIMP (Simple Ice Making Protocol) provides a facility for synchronizing the operation and capacity of a cluster of icemakers. Future versions of the spec will allow for either cubes or shaved ice, and can be linked directly to one or more NWBC (network wet-bar client) 4) PC-NFS (Plastic Container Named Food Service) Provides a caching mechanism to allow users to track and administer foods placed in unmarked opaque containers, and left in the back of hard-to-see shelves. Age, composition, and the existence of new life forms, may all be monitored and tracked. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Evan Leibovitch * Xunil Computing * Brampton, Ontario, Canada * www.xunil.com Supporting Intel-based Unix and Linux since 1985 * Caldera & SCO authorized Ask me about the Toronto Linux Users Group ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 2 07:02:40 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:49:03 -0400 From: Brian Bartholomew To: linux-biz@lege.com Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: > That is the feature for the builtin web app that I am going to > write! Damn, beat me to market! I don't want to write it, I want to buy it -- so now you have a customer prospect instead of a competitor. Perhaps you'll consider using one of the semi-free software development funding models. A member of the League for Programming Freedom (LPF) ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/lpf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Bartholomew - bb@wv.com - www.wv.com - Working Version, Cambridge, MA ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 2 07:07:33 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:59:45 -0400 From: Brian Bartholomew To: linux-biz@lege.com Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: > And just how are you going to access the inventory database on your > home's Linux server if you don't have a web browser in the kitchen? > And are you going to run back and forth from the livingroom just to > follow a recipe while you are cooking? Oh no, I like the PC-in-the-fridge idea, and the inventory can live on the fridge's PC. It just struck me that a web browser wasn't the sort of app I'd use in the kitchen. I'd want a pantry or cookbook app. A member of the League for Programming Freedom (LPF) ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/lpf ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Bartholomew - bb@wv.com - www.wv.com - Working Version, Cambridge, MA ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 2 10:02:02 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Johnson To: Linux-Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Fri, 1 May 1998, Brian Bartholomew wrote: > > And just how are you going to access the inventory database on your > > home's Linux server if you don't have a web browser in the kitchen? > > And are you going to run back and forth from the livingroom just to > > follow a recipe while you are cooking? > > Oh no, I like the PC-in-the-fridge idea, and the inventory can live on > the fridge's PC. It just struck me that a web browser wasn't the sort > of app I'd use in the kitchen. I'd want a pantry or cookbook app. A lot of these products will be mere gadgetry. But how about this: an application that will search the Internet for a list of products I want to buy and will compute a lowest cost shopping solution which may include a combination of mail order, delivery and a driving route (local suppliers) optimized to minimize vehicle cost. This could be tied into a home and food supplies inventory which produces a buy list based on consumption and order lead time. Rather than a mouse driven kitchen web browser it could be a touch screen. Applications could include integrated meal and nutrition planners. Dwight ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 2 19:00:50 1998 From: "Cary B. O'Brien" To: linux-biz@lege.com Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:22:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Open Source on Public Radio X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: > On Fri, 1 May 1998, Tracy R Reed wrote: > > > > By this time next week, yet another major software company > > > will have dropped an opensource bombshell; I'll be travelling to Ottawa > > > Thursday for the announcement (and that's all the clue you're getting :-). > > > Slashdot says Corel will be there with a big announcement. > > OK, the cat's out of the bag. There's also been a posting in > comp.os.linux.announce about it, so there's no secret (anymore). > > > I don't see how they could possibly GPL/NPL/CPL their office suite. > > Isn't it one of their big money makers? > > Thursday's announcement will itself deal mainly with the release of > Corel's Linux-powered Network Computer, and the fact that all the software > Corel developed to make Linux into a plug-in-and-run NC system will be > opensourced. Info on this will be found at www.corelcomputer.com. > Even the Java runtime? Hmm... > But there is a deeper underpinning to this, and it involves Corel's > 'discovery' of Linux and opensource, and the start of a greater > relationship similar (and likely beyond) to Netscape's. > > Corel's NC work to date has required Corel to become intimate with Linux > (enough to be able to provide commercial support), and it has both hired > lots of expertise and worked closely with the Ottawa Linux user community. > > What does this mean for the future? Some is still secret, some will still > evolve. It almost certainly means that many of Corel's software products > will be ported to -- and better supported under -- Linux. After Caldera > switched from WordPerfect to StarOffice I thought that Corel might have > been abandoning the Linux market; but the exact opposite may be the case. > > May the world be ready for a Corel Linux distribution? This is total > speculation, but if Corel did its own distro (or paired up with an > existing one), what would *that* do to bring Linux into the mainstream? > For one, make the people in Redmond very angry. Should be interesting. Especially if they can convice a major hardware manufacturer to offer it as a pre-loaded system. What's the top pc hardware vendor in Canada? A bit of patritotisim might be fun. Can a linux PC with the full Corel suite really work in a Microsoft business environment? I'm not familiar enough with their products to know. Do they have a database? An app builder? -- cary ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 2 19:00:56 1998 From: "Cary B. O'Brien" To: linux-biz@lege.com Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:27:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: > > That is the feature for the builtin web app that I am going to > > write! Damn, beat me to market! > > I don't want to write it, I want to buy it -- so now you have a > customer prospect instead of a competitor. Perhaps you'll consider > using one of the semi-free software development funding models. > Actually, it's not that dumb an idea. I find myself using my clunker of a laptop[1] on the kitchen counter pretty often. -- cary [1] ObHw. Toshiba 1900, 486SX, 200MB drive, Ethernet+Modem, runs linux+X and a stinking Win3.1 partition for my pc banking. Case split. Lost the trackball, 16 level 640x480 B/W display. Does have 12MB of ram. People laugh at me, but it is the greatest ethernet/serial/modem debugging tool you can get, runs a really long time off the (new) battery, and I really like the idea of actually _wearing out_ computer hardware. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 2 21:01:12 1998 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 11:15:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Sat, 2 May 1998, Bernard Lang wrote: > > http://www.NikkeiBP.AsiaBizTech.com/Database/98_Apr/30/Mor.04.gwif.html > > can anyone actually confirm that this web fridge is not a joke ? This fridge is definitely not a joke. And one of the reasons that they decided to try integrating the computer into a fridge is because they also want to develop a non-intel very fast multimedia computer system that uses Josephson junctions which have to be supercooled in order to work. If the CPU of that newer design is built into the freezer compartment of a refrigerator then it is a lot easier to get the temperature down to the level that they need. This may be one reason for switching to Linux for the OS. I think a lot of people don't really understand what this fridge will look like. It will have a full monitor sized LCD panel in the door similar to the large laptop LCD monitors. It's not a teeny display but a real full color monitor. And the monitor will be a touchscreen model so that no keyboard or mouse is needed to operate it. This is a lot like the kiosk computers that people have been building for years. Several of the commercial X versions support touchscreen monitors. And some people have made rude comments about the fact that it runs a web browser as if this implied that it was intended to be used for browsing the web. They are forgetting how many people use web browsers as the front-end for business applications using CGI scripts and web forms. They are also forgetting tha web browsers can host a myriad of Java applications. The whole point of putting a web browser on the box along with an Internet connection is that it becomes a multipurpose machine. The web broswer can access applications stored right on the fridge if it wants to. But it might be more useful to rent time on a central server somewhere if you are a technoklutz. And if you are a real whizkid with computers it is still wiser to set up an in-house server and host all the apps there. In fact, I think we are not far from the day where people will buy home servers running Linux or FreeBSD that they can plug into a UPS, and the Internet. These machines will have tape backup units and/or RAID 5 hot swap arrays to keep data safe. All the other computers in the home will be no more than NC's that run an X server or VNC and access the apps on the home server. In fact, many people, even techno whizkids, will be happy to have a fancy home server and NC's attached like the Corel NC, instead of a bunch of PCs. All this talk about not giving up your desktop PC ignores one important fact. What if you control the server that your new NC connects to? That's at least as good as a desktop and maybe even better in a home situation where there is usually only one techie per family. -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 2 21:01:56 1998 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:29:41 +0200 (MET DST) From: Bernard Lang To: bb@wv.com, linux-biz@lege.com Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Linux in a refrigerator X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: > http://www.NikkeiBP.AsiaBizTech.com/Database/98_Apr/30/Mor.04.gwif.html can anyone actually confirm that this web fridge is not a joke ? Bernard.Lang@inria.fr ,_ /\o \o/ Tel +33 (1) 3963 5644 http://pauillac.inria.fr/~lang/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fax +33 (1) 3963 5469 INRIA / B.P. 105 / 78153 Le Chesnay CEDEX / France Je n'exprime que mon opinion - I express only my opinion CAGED BEHIND WINDOWS or FREE WITH LINUX ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sun May 3 04:04:25 1998 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 17:09:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: linux-biz@lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] radiology software for hospitals X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: This online Linux magazine has an interesting article on a hospital network for radiology using Linux http://mercury.chem.pitt.edu/~angel/LinuxFocus/English/November1997/article9.html -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sun May 3 22:04:30 1998 Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:53:35 +0000 From: "Bradley J. Willson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Dillon CC: linux-biz@lege.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] Re: radiology software for hospitals X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Michael Dillon wrote: > > This online Linux magazine has an interesting article on a hospital > network for radiology using Linux > http://mercury.chem.pitt.edu/~angel/LinuxFocus/English/November1997/article9.html > > -- > Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting > http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe Excellent post! -- Regards, Bradley J. Willson http://www.ifixcomputers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Mon May 4 00:03:35 1998 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:55:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Leif Erlingsson To: Linux Business Discussion Group cc: "Robert V. Schipper" X-URL: http://www.lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Andreesen Open Source Vision (was Re: The new Unix alters NT's orbit) (fwd) X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: This post from a non-member seemed important enough for me to forward to the list. Please don't reply to me, only to the list and possibly to "Robert V. Schipper" . Thanks! __________________________________________________________________ Leif Erlingsson, DATA LEGE, Glavagatan 33, 123 71 Farsta, Sweden. TEL +46 8 604-0995, FAX +46 8 605-2551, URL http://www.lege.com. I remember the past. I am not doomed to buy Microsoft products. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 05:55:40 +0000 From: "Robert V. Schipper" To: linux-biz@lege.com Subject: [linux-biz] Andreesen Open Source Vision (was Re: The new Unix alters NT's orbit) On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Dwight Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Tim Hanson wrote: > > > Speaking of other articles, Netscape's Andreeson turned up on ZDnet/Yahoo today with a Linux testimonial: > > > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/technology/zdnet/story.html?s=n/zdnn/technology/19980424/19980424012 > > Andreessen appears to have the Open Source deployment vision clearly > in focus and in fact has become an important spokesman if this story > quotes him correctly. > It does. He spoke at a breakfast meeting of the Massachusetts Software Council in Boston to some 2-300 CEO's and other execs of software companies. I was there, too. Apart from extolling the virtues of GNU, and other free stuff, specifically mentioning Apache as the most widely used web server, taking the view that the future of UNIX is Linux, making it the only viable competition for Windows NT, and trying to convince a skeptical audience that giving away your source code doesn't necessarily mean you can't make money, he also mentioned that development of Mozilla is going well: they're finding bugs at a rate even Microsoft couldn't produce them. In short, his point was, that the Linux development model simply produces better software faster and cheaper, which leads him to believe that ultimately proprietary software will have a difficult time surviving. Nobody seemed to think it was a joke. Rob Schipper P.S. I put an ad in the New York Times this weekend looking for someone to set up and run a Linux-based VPN between our offices in New York, Chicago, San Mateo, Dallas and Atlanta, run our internal and external web site, etc. and do some simple development. We're very small (approx. 30 people) so it's all very simple, but there's a lot of freedom to experiment. If anyone should know anybody who might be interested, please ask them to contact me at schipperr@nfia.com (Robert V. Schipper, Executive Director for North America, Netherlands Foreign Investment Agency, One Rockefeller Plaza, 11th fl. New York, NY 10020, tel 212-246-1434, fax 212-246-9769. We're in the business of attracting direct corporate investments into the Netherlands). ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Mon May 4 10:02:17 1998 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:22:30 +0200 (MET DST) From: Leif Erlingsson To: Linux Business Discussion Group X-URL: http://www.lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] ARCHIVES @ http://www.lege.com/linux-biz.html X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Linux Business Discussion Group ARCHIVES @ http://www.lege.com/linux-biz.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Mon May 4 16:03:07 1998 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:32:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Evan Leibovitch To: Linux Business Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Yet more good press X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: http://www.zdnet.com/chkpt/srou980504/www.zdnet.com/sr/breaking/980504.html What is significant about this article is that now the *media* have gotten into the fray of asking Oracle and Informix whether they'll be doing Linux ports. While the answer is still a clear "no", at least companies are now exposing their FUD: "Chief among the database makers' concerns is the lack of accountability", meaning they still think nobody supports Linux. There are also concerns that there is no central Linux marketing body. FWIW, I have taken my Linux International complaints, as expressed here, directly to LI. No point in whining without trying to make things better. The response has been encouraging. Also note that the article comes from "SmartReseller" magazine, meaning it's the viewpoint of people who make a living reselling software -- not exactly a group enthralled by the prospect of making thousands less in markup selling Linux solutions compared to NT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Evan Leibovitch * Xunil Computing * Brampton, Ontario, Canada * www.xunil.com Supporting Intel-based Unix and Linux since 1985 * Caldera & SCO authorized Ask me about the Toronto Linux Users Group ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Mon May 4 17:00:55 1998 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 07:08:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Johnson To: Linux-Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Yet more good press X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Mon, 4 May 1998, Evan Leibovitch wrote: > http://www.zdnet.com/chkpt/srou980504/www.zdnet.com/sr/breaking/980504.html > > What is significant about this article is that now the *media* have gotten > into the fray of asking Oracle and Informix whether they'll be doing Linux > > "Chief among the database makers' concerns is the lack of accountability", > There are also concerns that there is no central Linux marketing body. We will look back on these days as the most exciting in the Open Source software movement. There is something wholesome, like mother's milk, about Linux. In contrast, there is something plastic, contrived and manipulative about the way many high profile commercial products hawk their wares and steer their customers like sheep to the shearing pen with double-talk. So, let's enjoy our feast and not crave for the day when the hogs find the table. Dwight ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Mon May 4 19:01:02 1998 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:51:56 -0500 (CDT) From: michael cartwright To: Dwight Johnson cc: Linux-Business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Yet more good press X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Mon, 4 May 1998, Dwight Johnson wrote: > > We will look back on these days as the most exciting in the Open Source > software movement. There is something wholesome, like mother's milk, > about Linux. In contrast, there is something plastic, contrived and > manipulative about the way many high profile commercial products hawk > their wares and steer their customers like sheep to the shearing pen with > double-talk. > > So, let's enjoy our feast and not crave for the day when the hogs > find the table. > > Dwight Well Put!!!!!!!!! I think what you have said above pretty well "sums up" the appeal, to me at least, of the whole Linux/Open Software Movement. Mike Cartwright Earle School District Earle, AR ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Tue May 5 00:01:48 1998 To: linux-biz@lege.com Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 14:59:27 -0500 From: Jonathan Corbet Subject: [linux-biz] Smart Reseller on Corel announcement X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Here's an article on what Corel has in mind...this guy clearly thinks that there isn't much to get excited about. http://www.zdnet.com/sr/alex/index.html Jonathan Corbet, Eklektix, Inc. corbet@eklektix.com Linux Weekly News -- www.eklektix.com/lwn ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Tue May 5 04:15:13 1998 To: corbet@eklektix.com Cc: linux-biz@lege.com Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:12:54 -0400 X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 From: jcc2@juno.com (John C Cusick) Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Smart Reseller on Corel announcement X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Mon, 04 May 1998 14:59:27 -0500 Jonathan Corbet writes: >Here's an article on what Corel has in mind...this guy clearly thinks >that there isn't much to get excited about. > > http://www.zdnet.com/sr/alex/index.html > >Jonathan Corbet, Eklektix, Inc. >corbet@eklektix.com >Linux Weekly News -- www.eklektix.com/lwn And two responders in the Talkback Section who work for Corel clearly think otherwise. Interesting JC _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Tue May 5 07:01:00 1998 From: edw@detel.com (Ed Weinberg) To: Jonathan Corbet Cc: linux-biz@lege.com Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 04:36:07 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Smart Reseller on Corel announcement X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Mon, 04 May 1998 14:59:27 -0500, Jonathan Corbet wrote: >Here's an article on what Corel has in mind...this guy clearly thinks that >there isn't much to get excited about. > > http://www.zdnet.com/sr/alex/index.html I had not heard that Corel was considering making its office suite open source, but they are planning to run java apps on their thin client. The thin client will be running java on linux. I think that is plenty to cheer about! -- Ed Weinberg, Detel, Inc., An Internet Presence Provider edw@detel.com www.detel.com/ www.serverking.com www.q5.com/ <-- find someone to CoolTalk or chat with here ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Wed May 6 18:00:53 1998 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 08:43:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Darren Boyd To: linux-biz@lege.com, Linux List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Digital uses Linux as selling feature X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Well, at least Linux gets a mention. Check out the link below for the actual details: http://www.workstation.digital.com/promo/usa_fed/us-fed.html Later, Darren Darren Boyd dboyd@its.to http://darren.its.to/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The moment of victory is much too short to live for that and nothing else. -Martina Navrtilova ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Wed May 6 21:01:06 1998 Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 16:39:45 +0000 From: "Bradley J. Willson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darren Boyd CC: linux-biz@lege.com, Linux List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Digital uses Linux as selling feature X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Darren Boyd wrote: > > Well, at least Linux gets a mention. Check out the link below for the > actual details: > > http://www.workstation.digital.com/promo/usa_fed/us-fed.html > I don't know if there is a web copy, but UNIX Review's Performance Computing had an interesting article about NT/UNIX market stats. IDC (the named source) found Linux to be a signifigant player in the whole scheme, in some cases out-gunning the bigger players in sales. Also it was mentioned that IDC discovered evidence of brainwashing of management, into thinking that NT was the do all, be all, de facto standard. When asked, management could not produce foundation in truth, just what they had heard from MS. -- Regards, Bradley J. Willson http://www.ifixcomputers.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Thu May 7 00:01:22 1998 From: "Roger Hardwicke" To: Cc: "Linux List" Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:34:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Subject: [linux-biz] Ingres for Linux X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: I was just talking to the technical support center for Ingres (a Computer Associates product). CA has ported Ingres to Linux! It is currently in beta, and the plan is to make it available to universities. It was demonstrated last week at CA-World. Anyone know any more specifics? As far as the help desk guy knew, it isn't available yet. Roger +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Roger C. Hardwicke e-mail: rogerch@clark.net | | Hardwicke Consulting Group voice: (301) 682-7040 | | Frederick, Maryland fax: (301) 682-7041 | | Systems and Network Management Professionals | +------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 9 04:05:55 1998 Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 16:00:26 -0700 From: Norm J X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linux Business List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] Corel Details X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Hi, I spent some time on the phone today with folks at Corel and SD Corporation ... more details on Corel's Announcement are/will soon be posted at http://www.linuxresources.com/ Norm -- ========================================================================= Norman M. Jacobowitz "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and hence clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken normj@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~normj/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 9 04:06:04 1998 To: linux-biz@lege.com cc: officers@svlug.org Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 16:59:03 -0600 From: Ben Woodard Subject: [linux-biz] Two pieces of news: Corel/HP X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: I don't know if you guys have read the transcript of Corel's announcement yet but it can be found at http://linux.mit.edu/cgi-bin/corel.cgi The thing that I really want to tell this list was that I just got a present in my email today, 15Mb's worth of present from HP. I am not sure of all of the licencing restrictions yet and so I am not going to release it but they mailed me the source code for JetAdmin for Unix so that I could do a port to Linux and also figure out some of the more undocumented interfaces for their printers, like the firmware downloader. I will certainly push to make this available to the linux community at large. I have to admit arranging for this to happen has been more than two years in the making. We run the print system here at Cisco using Linux and so we were forced to reimplement most of the tools necessary to work with HP printers but we felt we had no choice. We complained bitterly to HP about their lack of support. At this point we weren't asking of for source code just good solid technical support. Nothing happened. Then we met Lexmark. They came up out with the Optra S printers. It was as good as the HP's and we told them that and we told them about all the trouble we have had with HP and they decided that they would make exceptional technical support thier differentiating feature. (The kind of technical support we talking about requires talking to the engineering staff rather than some phone flunky. We were asking for the information necessary to program utilities that integrate with their network interfaces. This is more akin to writing a device driver than the normal technical support calls.) We worked with them and figured that we would save enough time working with them that it was worth changing printer vendors. HP was aghast that we would drop them as a supported vendor. It took them more than 6 months and several days of meetings with me and the sales department taking it to the Vice President of HP's printer division but it seems as though HP is now willing to release to the source code for their utilities when pressed hard enough. I don't know how much they will need to be pressed to release it to other people yet. There are several possiblilities and I will let everyone know which one is the correct one as soon as I figure it out. Possibility 1) They gave me the source so as a technical reference on how to implement the freeware interfaces that I haven't completed yet. In this case, I would never be allowed to release the source or binary just use it as a reference. (hopefully not) Possibility 2) They gave me the source code so that I could do a port for linux which they would distribute in binary form. (hopefully not) Possibility 3) Same as above but I would be the maintainer of the binary distribution. (hopefully not) Possibility 4) They gave me the source code with the intent of allowing it to be released so that the whole unix community could benefit. I have offered to maintain an open source version of JetAdmin. (this is what I hope their intent was) Spread the news even HP is opening up a bit. -ben ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 9 10:01:16 1998 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 01:19:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Evan Leibovitch To: Norm J cc: Linux Business List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Corel Details X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Fri, 8 May 1998, Norm J wrote: > I spent some time on the phone today with folks at Corel and SD > Corporation ... more details on Corel's Announcement are/will soon be > posted at http://www.linuxresources.com/ I was there. It was a hot, non-air-conditioned zoo, and there were plenty of funny things going on that'll never make it into the official statements or slashdot reports. The best part was during Corel President Michael Copeland talking about "Linux is the future". The speech was significant on its own, but missed in the conventional reporting was the fact that throughout the speech, on the big screen above him, those present watched the frantic results scroll by as techs tried to get a working build of Netscape 5 before the meeting ended. Some of the details (what went into the announcement and what was left out) weren't finalized until hours before the meeting. And some of the things that didn't make it to the meeting were merely delayed while Corel's lawyers determined what software the company had (and did not have) the legal right to opensource. I'll post details and analysis (as well as some of the pictures I took) when I get the energy. I arrived home at 4am after driving back from Ottawa after the meeting. The people at the Ottawa Linux Users Group, which worked closely with Corel on the project, have been rightfully excited and proud of what they have accomplished; but in the process they have uncovered some significant flaws in the opensource model, some of which we have been trying to come to grips with here on the Linux-biz mailing list. In fact, some I spoke to mixed their joy at the Corel announcement with admitted significant fear; that the opensource scheme applied purely the way Raymond is advocating will absolutely and inevitably lead to collapse. By the time the evening was over, the gang was starting to pronounce it "open sores". There are lessons to be learned from the Corel experience. More later. And BTW, Norm, it looks like SDCorp's days of running the WP-Unix show are over; Linux is going mainstream, internally within Corel, no longer farmed out like an afterthought. (Case in point; the more recent version of CorelDRAW available for any Unix or Linux (including the one on the Caldera "Solutions CD") is 3. Thursday night Copeland committed to have "all major Corel software" (Draw was absolutely amongst those) totally in sync between Windows and Linux versions. Corel staff have already begun the port of Draw *8* to Linux.) In any case, I'm not sure that what SD had to say is incredibly relevant anymore. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Evan Leibovitch * Xunil Computing * Brampton, Ontario, Canada * www.xunil.com Supporting Intel-based Unix and Linux since 1985 * Caldera & SCO authorized Ask me about the Toronto Linux Users Group ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 9 19:07:12 1998 Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 09:48:36 -0700 From: Norm J X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Evan Leibovitch , Linux Business List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Corel Details X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Cool, Evan ... glad to hear your detailed view of the event; hope to hear more. > And BTW, Norm, it looks like SDCorp's days of running the WP-Unix show are > over; Linux is going mainstream, internally within Corel, no longer farmed > out like an afterthought. > > (Case in point; the more recent version of CorelDRAW available for any > Unix or Linux (including the one on the Caldera "Solutions CD") is 3. > Thursday night Copeland committed to have "all major Corel software" (Draw > was absolutely amongst those) totally in sync between Windows and Linux > versions. Corel staff have already begun the port of Draw *8* to Linux.) > > In any case, I'm not sure that what SD had to say is incredibly relevant > anymore > You may be right; the person I spoke too wasn't aware of any such change yet, however. -- ========================================================================= Norman M. Jacobowitz "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and hence clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken normj@aa.net http://www.aa.net/~normj/index.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 9 21:01:27 1998 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 20:10:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: Leif Erlingsson To: Linux Business Discussion Group cc: David Mandel X-URL: http://www.lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Digital uses Linux as selling feature (fwd) X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Interesting post from non-member of Linux Business Discussion Group ... __________________________________________________________________ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 00:51:22 +0000 From: David Mandel To: "Bradley J. Willson" Cc: Darren Boyd , linux-biz@lege.com, Linux List Subject: Digital uses Linux as selling feature On Wed, 6 May 1998, Bradley J. Willson wrote: ... > Also it was mentioned that IDC discovered evidence of brainwashing of > management, into thinking that NT was the do all, be all, de facto > standard. When asked, management could not produce foundation in truth, > just what they had heard from MS. ... This seems to be true and very unfortunate for those people inflicted with the "NT is the Solution to All Problems" solution; but it promotes continued growth for Linux. It seems that a lot of "non-risk takers" are willing try Linux after their budgets have been expended on hardware for NT, and they still lack working systems. Dave Mandel ============================================================== David Mandel, Linux Activist dmandel@transport.com Internet Provided by: Transport Logic (503) 243-1940 Serving the Pacific Northwestern USA Portland * Vancouver * McMinnville * Salem * Bend ============================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sat May 9 23:15:18 1998 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:14:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: Leif Erlingsson To: "Bradley J. Willson" cc: Linux Business Discussion Group , Con Zymaris X-URL: http://www.lege.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] TechWeb and Linux Advocacy + http://www.cyber.com.au/misc/frsbiz/ X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: Guess what, your post at http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?VAR19980427S0020 (included at the bottom of this post) caused some confused email exchange between Con Zymaris , who first tried to write to linux-biz@lege.com, and failing that, wrote to me instead: | Read your recent posting on techweb re: Linux and NT. | check out our linux for business advocacy page at: | http://www.cyber.com.au/misc/frsbiz/ | | Cheers, | Con Zymaris | Managing Director | Cybersource Pty. Ltd. And I, confused, wrote back, because I didn't (yet) see the attempt at posting to linux-biz, and I was not aware I had written anything at techweb. But Bradley J. Willson had, and our friend Con Zymaris read that (see below) and attempted to inform us all of his own linux for business advocacy page. It looks really good, so I recommend a visit to http://www.cyber.com.au/misc/frsbiz/ Also, I found another very interesting piece on TechWeb while looking around: Open-Source Software Looks For The Limelight (04/08/98; 5:28 p.m. ET) By Malcolm Maclachlan, TechWeb: http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19980408S0021 Do read it. I can't include it all here, but will quote a few parts: (Go read it in full!) ... Products based on free source code are dominant on the Internet, said Tim O'Reilly, CEO of computer publishing firm O'Reilly and Associates, which sponsored the conference. ... One of the main problems with companies selling shrink-wrapped software is they often see customer support as a financial liability, Raymond said. With an open-source model, whole companies may form to provide just customer support. ... "Open source is like the printing press," Raymond said. "It makes individuals as powerful as governments and large corporations." [TW] Here's Bradley's piece: Aligned With Linux http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?VAR19980427S0020 April 27, 1998, TechWeb News Aligned With Linux By There is a group of people on linux-biz@lege.com that would love to hear about the lack of NT success stories. Please consider this an invitation to sample the Linux business list hosted by www.lege.com (details on joining are on the site). My business is evolving from a consultancy to becoming a VAR (Value Added Recycler) using Linux as the foundation to overhaul aging PCs. As a business policy, I will avoid NT at the risk of losing business. I'd rather succeed with Linux. Bradley J. Willson Owner/operator Willson Consulting Services Seattle, Wash. And Con Zymaris , please join our little list! Details at URL http://www.lege.com! :-) As of this writing we are 315 members + a few on the digest list (5 last week). / Leif Erlingsson ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sun May 10 00:01:03 1998 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 16:31:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "Paul L. Rogers" To: Linux Business Discussion Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] ANNOUNCE: Advocacy mini-HOWTO - Version 0.5 X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: An updated version of the Linux Advocacy mini-HOWTO has just been released. The new version includes additional pointers to sites that will assist you in your advocacy efforts, more ideas for marketing Linux and incorporation of suggestions made by readers of the document. The updated mini-HOWTO is now available from its primary site at http://www.datasync.com/~rogerspl/Advocacy-HOWTO.html and has been submitted to the Linux Documentation Project. As always, comments and suggestions are welcome. Paul... Paul L. Rogers RogersPL@datasync.com Are you prepared for NetDay? http://www.netday.org Linux: It works for me. http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Sun May 10 10:10:29 1998 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:47:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: Con Zymaris To: Linux Business Discussion Group Comment: FORWARDED TO linux-biz@lege.com BY LEIF ERLINGSSON X-URL: http://www.cyber.com.au/misc/frsbiz/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: TechWeb and Linux Advocacy + http://www.cyber.com.au/misc/frsbiz/ X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: hello all! > > Guess what, > > your post at > http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?VAR19980427S0020 > (included at the bottom of this post) caused some confused > email exchange between Con Zymaris , who > first tried to write to linux-biz@lege.com, and failing that, > wrote to me instead: yes, apologies about that ;-) It's the only address i had at the time. My initial email mentioned that i really enjoyed reading the post by Bradley quoted below, and that i was in 100% agreement with his sentiments. > > | Read your recent posting on techweb re: Linux and NT. > | check out our linux for business advocacy page at: > | http://www.cyber.com.au/misc/frsbiz/ > | > | Cheers, > | Con Zymaris > | Managing Director > | Cybersource Pty. Ltd. > > And I, confused, wrote back, because I didn't (yet) see the > attempt at posting to linux-biz, and I was not aware I had > written anything at techweb. But Bradley J. Willson had, and > our friend Con Zymaris read that (see below) and attempted to > inform us all of his own linux for business advocacy page. > > It looks really good, so I recommend a visit to > http://www.cyber.com.au/misc/frsbiz/ > Thanks. I guess we developed this home page and email list without knowing of your existence. It's great to see a tremendous upswing in business and corporate use of Linux and open source/free software. ... > would love to hear about the lack of NT success stories. > Please consider this an invitation to sample the Linux > business list hosted by www.lege.com (details on joining > are on the site). > > My business is evolving from a consultancy to becoming a > VAR (Value Added Recycler) using Linux as the foundation > to overhaul aging PCs. As a business policy, I will > avoid NT at the risk of losing business. I'd rather > succeed with Linux. > > Bradley J. Willson > ... > > And Con Zymaris , please join our little list! already done! I'll also post details to our much smaller list about subscribing to this one. It's my belief that the Internet through the facilitation of co-operatively developed software (such as Linux) and cross-pollenation of ides (and warnings about certain commercial vendors) is what makes the open source model an unbeatable software paradigm for the 21st century. > Details at URL http://www.lege.com! :-) As of this writing we > are 315 members + a few on the digest list (5 last week). make that 316 ;-) __________________________________________________________________ | | | This email has been forwarded to LINUX-BIZ by Leif Erlingsson | | in Con Zymaris name after he first sent it to leif@lege.com -- | | but as of this writing Con is subscribed. Con, please post to | | Linux Business Discussion Group . Welcome!| |________________________________________________________________| Just a brief perambulatory description about us. We're a firm of professional services consultants (based in Melbourne Australi), primarly dealing with Unix (and increasingly Linux/FreeBSD) and software development (increasingly in Linux.) -One of our former employees wrote the well know IP Filter open source firewalling software (for Linux/FreeBSD etc) -We are currently a Red Hat software support centre for Australia. We have over 22 employees, most of whom either predominantly work with open source systems software (or soon will be ;-) -We believe that through the existence of multiple vendors of commercial grade support for free software, we help 'legitemise' the business market for software like Linux, so we are always on the lookout to help others establish just this kind of venture. If you want to exchange ideas, drop me a line at conz@cyber.com.au, or perhaps use this venue for group discussion. -We also see it as our mission to generate as much publicity for the open source space as possible, with local and international media, business and IT professionals.. -we are actively producing free material to 'train' as many local IT professionals about using Linux in business as possible. -we are also producing Linux 'quick start' packs for PC hardware resellers, to try to get them to advocate Linux based business solutions to clients, instead of Novell and NT [http://www.cyber.com.au/misc/frsbiz/resell.htm] -we are actively approaching many local universities to try to get their Computer Science staff to suggest that their students undertake open source software projects, by either extending and adding features to existing software, or creating new software for the open source community. [http://www.cyber.com.au/misc/frsbiz/students.htm] -Some of our guys have been hacking with Linux since '91-92, and with Minix for a few years before that, so we're 'true believers' ;-) > > / Leif Erlingsson > Thanks Leif! Cheers, Con ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Mon May 11 04:02:33 1998 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:13:57 +0200 (MET DST) From: Bradley J Willson To: Norm J , "'Evan Leibovitch'" cc: Linux Business List Comment: FORWARDED BY Leif Erlingsson BECAUSE WASNT SUBSCRIBED WHEN FIRST SENT OUT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Corel Details X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: From a business standpoint, it might interest readers of this list to look at the Yahoo message board for Netscape (ticker symbol: NSCP) to witness the effects of Open Source. The opinions expressed there are interesting, entertaining, and sometimes maddening, but they seem to reflect the reception of the new way of doing business. At first it was frantic, there were cries of "madness, sheer madness", but over time the tone changed, sounding more confident in Netscape's decision. I think the same could be said of any major software company deciding to go Open Source. There will be naysayers and cheerleaders, but in the end, the company benefits and does continue to make money, because they have literally hired a huge workforce that is willing to work for name recognition. Once the stockholders realize the magnitude of the free resources, they start to get excited about the company. If Corel usess lessons learned from Netscape and vice-versa, the best is yet to come. Regards, Brad Willson Opinions expressed herein are my own and do not necessarily reflect those the Boeing Company. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Mon May 11 07:00:54 1998 To: Evan Leibovitch cc: Norm J , Linux Business List Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 18:20:14 -0600 From: Ben Woodard Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Corel Details X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: > In fact, some I spoke to mixed their joy at the Corel announcement with > admitted significant fear; that the opensource scheme applied purely the > way Raymond is advocating will absolutely and inevitably lead to collapse. > By the time the evening was over, the gang was starting to pronounce it > "open sores". > > There are lessons to be learned from the Corel experience. More later. So what are some of these problems that they have run into? -ben ------------------------------------------------------------------ Unsubscribe: To: linux-biz-request@lege.com, Subject: unsubscribe From popmail Mon May 11 10:01:00 1998 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 01:05:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Evan Leibovitch To: Ben Woodard cc: Norm J , Linux Business List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [linux-biz] Re: Corel Details X-Unsubscribe: send a blank message to linux-biz-off@lege.com X-Status: On Sat, 9 May 1998, Ben Woodard wrote: > > In fact, some I spoke to mixed their joy at the Corel announcement with > > admitted significant fear; that the opensource scheme applied purely the > > way Raymond is advocating will absolutely and inevitably lead to collapse. > > By the time the evening was over, the gang was starting to pronounce it > > "open sores". > > > > There are lessons to be learned from the Corel experience. More later. > > So what are some of these problems that they have run into? I need to take some time to think them over but here are some initial thoughts that I toss out as food for thought: There is a limit to the number of companies out there that arbitrarily take a program, toss it out on the web, and successfully have the Internet development community pick up the ball and run with it. Mozilla was first, Corel is second; how many else can the model really support? There will certainly come a point at which a company will make a